Wednesday, April 23, 2008
Severe hunger is looming over Orissa - Dr. Subas Mohapatra
Monday, April 14, 2008
World Humger - Innovative solutions -- Part I - AGA (Above Ground Agriculture) - Dr. Subas Mohapatra
As we are busy discussing events related to mining, crime and corruption, the world is trembling under hunger-related violence and governmental instability. It is sad but it is real. As the associated press article rightly says, the expanding hunger is not due to unavailability of food. Rather it is due to inability to purchase the food off the shelf. That is because more than 80% increase in food price world wide. Some of it can be attributed to corporate greed, but the real culprit is the skyrocketing price of petroleum products starting with fuel, fertilizer, pesticides, tires, and every thing else that comes from petroleum products.
Part II - Eating Liquid Food on Daily basis
One reason why I lunched IAFF's " Development Without Government" - Dr. Subas Mohapatra
Sandip Dasverma <dasverma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Friends:
I really appreciate Prasanna babu's comment. I too agree that there is hardly any difference between TATAs and POSCO any more, as analyzed by Chitta. In addition all the other PSCs except the PSUs are on the same ground. And Orissa and other Iron Ore states are getting exploited in absence of change of mining policy.
"The situation demands much more than shedding crocodile tears. The policy of rebuking the miners in public and having friendly deals with them in private would only lead the situation which is prevailing today."
We need to go for action like the one achieved NISER & IIT, Orissa, by Agamee Orissa. Except the stakes are much higher, huge fortunes are involved and opponents lot more savvy.
Best wishes,
Sandip----- Original Message ----
From: Prasanna Mishra <pkm1942@gmail.com>
To: OrissaToday@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:16:16 AM
Subject: OTN: Re: Double Standard of Posco exposed.
Friends
Chitta Babu has taken the issue to an
intersting stage.
After the takeover of CORUS it is worth analysing how
much of the products from TATA owned Indian Plants, both existing and
the proposed greenfield ones, would be sent for value addition in
earstwhile CORUS owned plants across Europe.
I am inclined to endorse the conclusions of Chitta
Babu when he says" At present I see very little difference between
them and see all of them as exploiting Orissa's resources and giving
back peanuts to Orissa."
But then should the concerned states not act
decisively and not just talk of injustice. There can be no two
opinions on the imperative need for fixing the Royalty on advalorem
basis.A decision on this is getting delayed. Has any state government
prevented transfer of raised iron ore from the mines unless the
advalorem concept was implemented? Rather they seem to look the other
way when mindboggling exploitaton of ironore mines goes on
relentlessly spoiling the state roads, spoiling the environment and
ruining the health of thousands of people. The situation demands much
more than shedding crocodile tears. The policy of rebuking the miners
in public and having friendly deals with them in private would only
lead the situation which is prevailing today.
Discussion on this is welcome
Prasanna Mishra
Thursday, March 27, 2008
Q & A with Debajit Sarangi(DS) of Living Farms, BBSR
DS: When talking about GM we always mean Genetic Modification and nothing else. Your statements are designed to complicate things and try to push forward the agenda of GM.
Subas Mohapatra(SM): you are absolutely correct. GM stands for genetic modification. What most non-scientists and even many scientists do not realize that breeding also brings about genetic modification and therefore hybrid crops are GM crops. If you want to call "legs" as "head" and then claim that people are walking on head, that is your prerogative, but do not expect me to agree with that.
You are also right when you say I am pushing the agenda of GM. What else you expect from a scientist? I am in support of GM as I am in support of human knowledge and advancement in other areas. Only close-minded people and fear-mongers are blindly opposing GM crops.
DS: This is just like the
SM: You are distorting what I have said. Please read my postings again. I said government will not allow things that are proved to be dangerous. Perception has nothing to do with proofs.
SM: Government in the
DS: You must also be aware that many countries have banned the entry of GM
SM: Every country bans entry of any agricultural product, GM or not. But most countries my knowledge have not only not banned research on GM but are funding internal development of these crops and medicines. No farmer in
DS: and in more countries farmers and consumers are up in arms against this technology which is fraught with many assumptions and loopholes. GM is an attempt to take charge over life forms and commercialise life, an idea which every self thinking individual can only loathe and abhor. GM or GE whatever you call it is not a science. It is a technology which the greedy are employing to satiate their desire to control the world and its inhabitants.
SM: The above are your opinions, to which you are entitled, I have no comments on them.
DS: In this forum we are concerned about what is going on in the name of scientific development and the consequent effect on the health of the world. We have opened the windows of our homes and our laboratories are not confined to four walls. We invite you to rethink your opinion on the subject and instead of rushing forward madly, stop and think about the consequences first.
SM: That is why I am so vigorously participating in this forum. I know I may not be able to remove your ignorance. But you also know that I am not allowing any forum of which I am a part to engage in fear-mongering.
DS: Please spare us your ideas and allow us to continue in our efforts to build a humane world.
SM: I am also involved in developing a human world and I am not going to allow you to destroy it through rumors and fear-mongering. I will be in Orissa between Oct-Nov. You are invited to come to my work shop free of cost (I charge others Rs. 1000) along with your scientists to talk to the same people who will attend my workshop on "Inegrated Farming System, Controlled Environment Agriculture and Eco-Farming"
Since you are so intent to develop human society through ignorance and fear-mongering, I will be happy not to respond to your postings from now on, if that is what you want. BY THE WAY, DID YOUR SCIENTIST FRIEND DECIDED NOT TO DEBATE WITH ME ONE-ON-ONE?
Debajit Sarangi
Living Farms Plot No.1181 / 2146, Ratnakarbag-2,
Tankapani Road,
Bhubaneswar - 751018,
Orissa.
Ph-->0674-2430176
Mob -->9938582616
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Q and A on GM and GE food with Sadananda Sahoo(SS)
Sadananda Sahoo (SS) <sahoocsid@yahoo.comwrote:
Sadananda Sahoo(SS): These days
Subhas Mohapatra(SM): To the best of my knowledge GE-Tomato has not yet been created although GM-tomato is plentiful every where
SS: . Why GM crops are not tasty as our natural crops? It is no way closer to the natural vegetables. Our natural vegetables don't have the beauty than the GM crops have. GM vegetables look so attractive!!! Natural vegetables look ugly before them.
SM: Taste has nothing to do with GM or GE. It is the result of marketing strategy. People now a days are harvesting green tomatoes and ripening them through ethylene. This allows more quantities of tomato hit the market as compared to vine-ripe tomatoes. If you are eating for taste that indeed is a disappointment. But if you are eating for food value, the food value of these tomatoes is no different from vine ripe tomatoes.
SS: Do we need to go for GM crops? (People say this will help in producing more, then what? The plenty of production does not reduce the poverty and exploitation of the poor).
SM: We are already using GM crops. All hybrids are GM crops. Poverty has nothing do with food production. Poverty has more to do with food distribution/marketing. Poor people as such do not have access to market because of numerous factors, distance being the single most hurdle. NGOs can help poor people much in this regard.
SS: . Why do we need to brain wash the poor farmers to relearn the technology of using GM crops and forgetting their own traditional knowledge- which is more dependable and durable?
SS: . I think the world has been producing enough and the challenge is not further producing enough. The challenge is at the attitudinal level. People with new knowledge and technology further wish to take advantage and exploit further who are outside this knowledge system. Knowledge is good when it is transparent and respect the environment, people and bring harmony in society.
SM: This is not a question. It is an opinion. You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
SM: Again, this is not a question. It is an opinion, which you are entitled to. But I have different views on this.
SM: Before a single human being is altered, several hundreds will have been killed by a knife. May be we should ban making and use of knives. I do not know the laws in your country. But in this country (
SS: But we can think to do all kinds of alteration with our environment as we think we (human) have every right to exercise our will around us. Surprisingly human being is not thinking of the consequences which may come after 10 to 20 years in future. They have been most selfish in this era.
SM: If we look back these people have built the civilization. We don't remember those businessmen of yesteryears! I do not give credit to any one for building civilization. To me civilization is a result of human evolution at individual and societal level.
Because I will be going out of town for couple of weeks it may not be possible to participate in the ongoing discussion on GM/GE crops. I am therefore leaving the following thoughts for readers on this subject. Will offer needed clarification upon my return. What we say gnetically modified or genetically engineered is actually a process of chemical modification. We isolate the chemical molecule DNA, break it down to pieces id polymers (or chemical compounds) before we insert into the cell. Thus we are chemically modifying the DNA of the cell. The piece of chemical we introduce is rarely a complete gene. We do not insert the complete gene because the regulatory elements are already inside the cell. All we need is to insert new chemical fragments to function as templates for new proteins. Some times we find that needed genes are already present but are not expressing because of the inefficiency/absence of the regulatory mechanisms. In that case, we introduce the needed regulatory chemical molecules. I have simplified the statement because the actual process is much more detailed than what I have said here. Thus, we can technically replace the terms "GM" and "GE" with "CM" and "CE" (i.e. chemically altered or chemically engineered) respectively.
We all know that even though we use the land to produce rice and cereal crops, the tools and sequence of operations are often quite different. Like wise, although we use different chemicals, the concept of chemical alteration of plants is akin to water purification. We all know that rivers and streams carry industrial pollutions and animal urine and stools situated upstream. We pass these "dirty water" through water treatment plants to modify them chemically to bring to a relatively pure (not absolutely poor) state for city water supply. This chemical modification is often more harmful to human beings than the chemically modified plants have ever been. Even with close monitoring of pollutions and microorganism some times water treatment plants fail or some times the plumbing systems introduce new organisms or pollutants make the water unsafe. Thus in all city water supplies there is a "tolerable" level of pollutants and pathogens. The "tolerable" level is there because dirty water can not be made "absolutely pure". The readers need to recognize that every day we drink city water we are voluntarily subjecting ourselves to potential true hazards. This will never happened in chemically altered crops because they do not acquire chemicals on the way to the "market" and before they are released to the market they are thoroughly tested with respect to their danger and efficacy. So folks, start using the term "CM" and "CE" crops and put your mind at rest from the perceived dangers of "GM" and "GE" crops. Happy Easter Break.
Friday, March 21, 2008
GE - Tomato Q & A
These days Delhi market is flooded with GM tomatoes and other variety of vegetables. I don't have much knowledge on the harmful effects of GM crops. But I want to know from Subhas Mahapatra about few things.
1. Why GM crops are not tasty as our natural crops? It is no way closer to the natural vegetables. Our natural vegetables don't have the beauty than the GM crops have. GM vegetables look so attractive!!! Natural vegetables look ugly before them.
2. Do we need to go for GM crops? (People say this will help in producing more, then what...? The plenty of production does not reduce the poverty and exploitation of the poor).
3. Why do we need to brain wash the poor farmers to relearn the technology of using GM crops and forgetting their own traditional knowledge- which is more dependable and durable?
4. I think the world has been producing enough and the challenge is not further producing enough. The challenge is at the attitudinal level. People with new knowledge and technology further wish to take advantage and exploit further who are outside this knowledge system. Knowledge is good when it is trasparent and respect the environment, people and bring harmony in society.
5. Today we have many advocates for any company products and knowledge and very few volunters to advocate for the natural way of living. The very nature of GM crop is the greedy nature of companies to make enough profits. I think the technology in the hands of Bhasmasura- a wrong hand that will spoil the world. They have no vision for tomorrow.
6. Just compare if a human being will be altered chemically? If it happens in massive scale what will happen? We may not think of such a horror dream! But we can think to do all kinds of alteration with our envionment as we think we (human) have every right to excercise our will around us. Surprisingly human being is not thinking of the consequences which may come after 10 to 20 years in future. They have been most selfish in this era.
People who built the civilization always think of holistic perspective. Civilization needs to take into accont the voices of poet, arists, philosopher, saints. If we look back these people have built the civilization. We don't remember those businessmen of yesteryears! Development in any field should be linked to the interrelated knowledge system- cultural, spiritual, economic and all. "Our specialised knowledge will help us only to think like a blind men judging an elephant".
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Answer:
We all know that even though we use the land to produce rice and cereal crops, the tools and sequence of operations are often quite different. Like wise, although we use different chemicals, the cocept of chemical alteration of plants is akin to water purification. We all know that rivers and streams carry industrial pollutions and animal urine and stools situated upstream. We pass these "dirty water" through water treatment plants to modify them chemically to bring to a relatively pure (not absolutely poor) state for city water supply. This chemical modification is often more harmful to human beings than the chemically modified plants have ever been. Even with close monitoring of pollutions and microorganism some times water treatment plants fail or some times the plumbing systems introduce new organisms or pollutants make the water unsafe. Thus in all city water supplies there is a "tolerable" level of pollutants and pathogens. The "tolerable" levl is there because dirty water can not be made "absolutely pure".